Inception (2010) 电影 心得 感想


字幕升起时,我背部有点汗。好久好久,没试过让脑袋感觉那么爽的电影了 :)))

值得一提的就是,最前面一段小偷Extraction试验,让我想起了JoJo六代的开头。嘿。我那时还有点怕Nolan会让我失望了 =_,= 因为突然想起自己可是受过JoJo洗礼的啊!!!

电影在真正的任务开始后,杂念全消,我能说的,就是,我好久好久没有那么集中精神用脑去长时间看过一件事物了 =_,=

让我不禁想起从前的数学题,啊,干脆!!就用这东西来概括整篇感想好了!!!=_,=






XDDD 这东西是我在大二时拿的一个Elective Module - Calculus of Several Variables,以本人不见得人的数学能力来说 =.=这东西其实真的很简单,只不过是我们高中时的微积分的多未知数版(玩多个y和z) -

基本原理的确是一样的,唯一的难点可能就是会粗心搞混淆吧,没错,正如Inception这一部电影那般 -

我相信玩过数学的人看到那道题,看到刚好又是反转5次的变化 =_,=
应该不会异议它会是一个漂亮的对这部电影的(超简易版)意译吧?
well,我希望它能搏得你一笑,那是专为我们某些nerdy人士准备的 ^^~
那些贪爽想考考自己忘了没有的(in which you SHOULD forget all that shit by now XDD 我可是早就把它们忘光光的,特地跑去翻笔记放出来的说=.=),可以点这里看答案

然后我们来看为文字爱好者而写的心得感想吧~~~


Inception,说的,

是一个,关于爱情的故事。

Inception

我相信我们是真心相爱的。

The Groom: 'Remember when you asked me to marry you?'

我知道我们会一起携手建立只属于我们的世界。

The Bride: 'Remember when you asked me to marry you?'

我们会到老了仍然会手牵手一起走在那已经走过无数遍的属于我们的道路。

The Groom: 'You said you had a dream that we grew old together.'

我们会守在我们亲爱的儿女身边看着他们快乐地成长和长大。

The Bride: 'You said you had a dream that we grew old together.'

我们未来每一天的生活会像童话故事一般,就像,对了,

就像我们梦境里所想的那样。

The Bride: 'Remember when you asked me to marry you? You said you had a dream that we grew old together.'

我爱妳,我们一起活在属于我们的世界就好了。

The Groom: 'Remember when you asked me to marry you? You said you had a dream that we grew old together.'

我爱你,我再也不需要除了你以外的世界。


Stay here with me, don't go.


Inception

在开始所有的讨论之前,我们必须搞清楚上面我做的关于Cobb和Mal之间的关键Summary - in which,我强烈建议至少要看过一次才继续往下读比较好 XDDD 和以往写的影品一样,没看过的肯定也没有被剧透到危险的(应该说,即使被剧透到,没看过的也是会一头雾水的吧,可以叫做Spoiler-proof??) =_,=

只不过在Inception这部电影上,我想关于结局的解释/整部电影的存在意义,可以说是非常具有争议性的,我不想因为先看了这篇文而影响了你独特的观后感。

Inception毫不犹豫地是一部Instant Classic。在我们的孩子们拿出来看的那天,依然会非常耐人寻味的 :)

我没有在爱尔兰首映的那一天(16号)看,而是在17号看的。
在这之前完全没有读/看任何Spoiler materials,除了那个看了至少10次的官方Trailer。

我想其实只要专心看的话,我觉得在大纲上大家看法可能都应该是大致一样的,至于细节上嘛 - 欢迎来到《第三平行世界》,欢迎阅读这奇怪的家伙写的东西 XDDD

让我们开始正题吧,shall we? :)



Inception
Sound on:
Mind Heist - Zack Hemsey only in Inception Trailer
Time - Hans Zimmer from Inception OST


(好吧我说谎了,in order to讨论这部电影,我没有办法不解释它的基本构造,真的没办法 囧 我尽量简短些吧,基本说明总是枯燥一点呃。如果对于Inception的游戏规则有信心的话可以直接跳过这一节的=.=b)

你必须要牢牢记住的是,在梦的世界的时候,一切所看到的,听到的,都是发梦者的潜意思的投影Projection。
里面的地点来自发梦者的想象/记忆,里面的人是发梦者的潜意识的投影 - 单纯意义上来说就是发梦者的梦里的一切都是在发梦者的意识里发生的,可以说只是发梦者的胡思乱想罢了 XDD

然后,名词,Extraction,就是我们的Thief Leader- Cobb(Leonardo DiCaprio)的专业名称。Cobb的专业就是extract目标人物的目标情报,通常就是一些商业机密情报之类的 - Cobb可以通过梦来潜入目标的潜意识(梦既是潜意识的投影),来盗取目标情报。单纯意义上来说,假如我有一个重要的不想让人知道的秘密,在我的梦里,会有一个保险箱,里面守着这个机密的情报 - Cobb就是专业在把保险箱里的文件搞出来。

Cobb那样做是犯法的喔~ Crime inside a dream.这句子被提及多次。在那个世界有多普遍我们就不得而知了。

然后,盗贼首领嘛,自然有各路人马属下来完成这Dream Crime - 潜意识是件很神奇的东西。像Cobb和他组员这种出入梦境多次的人想当然尔会对'进入梦境'有一定的认识,相对地像我们这些一般人,假如突然被Cobb袭击了,被偷去了重要秘密也不会察觉吧 lol 但是,即使在普通人身上,也会有一种像防卫系统那样的东西,我们的潜意识会察觉到不对劲然后会对外来物产生排斥反应,至于那些被训练过的人就更加另当别论了,例如Fisher的突袭团队的出场(Cillian Murphy,我上个礼拜才去他的故乡玩^^~~) - 这细节下面再继续谈,这里的重点就是关系到一个新名词 -

Architect - Ariadne,既是我们可爱的Ellen Page所扮演的角色,也是一开始那个像是印度人的角色所做的事情。既然要进到目标的梦境偷取目标情报,小偷团的首要任务就是确保角色的行动在他们的掌握内,Architect的任务就是制造一个无限巡回的迷宫把目标困在里头,无限巡回的目的是为了困住目标外,还必须是不能让目标的潜意识防卫系统识破主人已经被入侵了的。值得注意的是,Architect本身是不需要进入梦境的,他们只是负责设计,并且确定地解释给发梦者明白,因为做梦的始终是发梦者(记得那幕当Ellen各自和组员们讨论),虽说涉入梦境中的人(如果有心要扭曲梦世界的结构)是可以干涉梦境的(像Ellen第一次到Cobb世界玩),但是梦境的主人始终就是主人(Ellen改动太多后Cobb的潜意识把她轰出来了XDD)。总之你可以看到大家不去管大家的迷宫设计,管好自己的迷宫就好了,免得不小心(潜意识下)搞了一变动就露出马脚了。

Forger - Eames( Tom Hardy),可以在梦境里变换身份的伪装者 XDDD 大叔变得好~~Blondie不错~~

概括来说整个Extraction的概念,就是Cobb作为领袖的可以使用上面我讲的能力来任意设计摆布目标的梦/意识,来盗取他要的目标情报,当然所谓的盗取,也不过是‘偷看’的地步,并不能‘抹杀’那个情报本质。

Nolan导演兼剧本家的鬼才在Inception里完美地展现无遗,虽说并非完美,你要知道有多少导演有本事在短短的开头30-45分钟内能把资讯量大的背景故事/概念条理地解释出来??然后,Nolan的鬼才真正发亮的地方就是在任务开始后,=_,=

1st Layer City Centre - Chemist Yusuf
2nd Layer Hotel inside - Accomplice Arthur (Joseph Gordon-Levitt)
3rd Layer Snow Fortress - Forger Eames
除了原来任务设定上外,最后去到了4th Layer - Cobb,当然还有那恐怖的深渊limbo(一团共享意识shared consciousness)~~~~~

Nolan漂亮地玩转了多层次的梦中梦外,还要有办法精彩地把他们从一层踢回原来的那一层回到现实世界 -

梦境醒来规则:
1.梦里的死亡就从梦里醒来 - 但是在limbo状态中死亡不会醒来,会永远徘徊在深渊limbo里。
2.强烈的触发(Trigger),例如他们这次任务设定的Free Fall(落下动作)会从梦里醒来。
*当涉及到多层次梦境时/长时间的麻醉时间,必须进入limbo状态(才能展开多层次梦境)。
**limbo状态的意义上就是指大脑/意识已经把'梦'认知为'现实'了,唯一从limbo醒来的方法就是发梦者本身意识到自己是在做梦,例如在最后Saito/Cobb所做的。
***limbo可怕的地方在于,假如你在那里过了100年的生老病死,你的脑会真的'经历'过那100年所发生的任何事情,记忆上出现错误是小事(永远醒不来回到现实),人类的脑可以生存才是更大的危机(brain will become mush XDDD)。
****所以我觉得大家实在不必纠结limbo的细节,因为电影里给的定义也不是十分地清楚,就Arthur/Yusuf/Ariadne那几句话带过 XDD 我本身是有几个关于limbo的观点是得不到确定答案的。期待官方Q&A,DVD/Blu-ray版里的Documentary,或者在Director Cut版才能知道更多吧。

然后每个组员都有一个Totem物体,作为一个特定个人物件,用以提醒自己是否在梦还是现实。
这东西尤其重要,想象你去到n层梦里时,现实虚幻谁还分得清? Totem的运作物理是不让除了自己以外的别人知道的。

Cobb的Totem也就是那个Inception预告里标志性的不断在旋转的小陀螺(Spinning Top) - 我们把这东西留到结论再谈吧 :)

还有一样特点需要提起的就是,时间的流动会在随着梦境的多层次增多而变得更慢,1分钟的现实可以等于数分钟的1st layer梦,1分钟的1st layer梦可以等于数个小时的3rd Layer梦,类推,所以到了深层的梦境时,现实的几分钟可能就等于梦里的几十年那样(回想一下上面讲的limbo的危险)。也就是为什么Nolan可以把他们醒来的时机/紧凑喘不过气来动作节奏拍得如此地震撼,这个设定作得很漂亮。
(那辆Van大概是我看过史上花最长时间掉下去的引力作业了 lol)

对了,我好像忘了一件重要的事情 :p

Inception到底是什么??
很简单,相对于Extraction那种从目标保险箱里盗取/偷看情报,Inception的概念就是在这保险箱里放入你想要目标拥有的思想/概念 - 让一种思想在目标潜意识里萌芽。

如果你读了上面那句子没有内心一凉的话,试想想,如果Inception真的存在的话,这世界大概再也没有人与人之间的斗争了。举个最简单的例子来说,我种一个'妳永远爱我'的思想在一个女孩身上,这女孩会毫无办法地永远爱我下去 - 可怕的就是这女孩会是‘自己想到’她是爱我的,我什么也没做喔~

这一理解和我要放的《Memory 记忆》可以有分个角度探讨一下;当然也和世俗所说的催眠术很相似,但是明显Inception的功能性要强太多了(当然做起来也困难很多)。

Fisher拿出纸风车的那一幕是很震撼人心的。

真要说的话,Inception是种很严重的非人性行为 - 除了那些极端信仰分子外,西方国家人们的思想根基就是‘自由’和‘人权’,Inception的行为就是说是直接把人性的基本抹杀掉也不为过。讽刺的是你看现代地球上还真有像朝X那样的国家就是直接进行思想控制的。从Inception其实可以探讨很多关于人性的东西,在这里我不谈了XD(谈了要多少千字啊 OTL)。

(我想大家如果确定地理解上面所写的游戏规则摘要的话,应该足以排除大部分非重点的疑问/低争议性的问题,例如为何最后Saito看起来比Cobb老很多 - 因为他早Cobb几分钟进limbo呀 XDD; Mal把自己的Totem关起来的用意为何大家该想到了 - 至于为何Cobb使用她的Totem就是另一个很好的争议性问题~)

最后在进入真正讨论心得感想的结论前,必须确定这一个重点:

旋转的陀螺,Cobb的Spinning Top可以区分现实和梦境的原理就是,当Cobb转它的时候都是在脑中操纵它不断旋转的,如果是在梦中的话它就不会停下来了(梦里可以自己'掌权'物理),现实的话当然....只能遵从牛顿的话了~~


Inception

整部电影除开优秀的视觉效果和引人入胜的动作戏码外 - 我的意思是说,除了那些耍小聪明的一梦套一梦的漂亮视觉外,还有那些不断引爆的高段情节张力手法(例如Saito一开始的受重伤让我们提心吊胆,Arthur的Hotel),加上演员的实力让人眼前一亮 - 渡辺謙再次证明自己是好东西~~~/Michael Caine快成Nolan的跟班了吧 XDD/Joseph Gordon-Levitt和同年的Ellen Page让我觉得自己真的老了啊...期待(实力的)80后的世代扛起主流市场的Hollywood时代啊~~Tom Hardy帅得乱七八糟的~ 顺带一说Leonardo也终于成熟到了可以靠实力吃饭的日子了;除此之外 -

这部电影真正被抬高到经典之列的理由,是因为背后有着那个让人心碎的爱情故事 -

那个连个做梦时都不停在痛的男人,

那个每天每天重复地回到已失去的妻子不断说爱着自己的时空,

那个判了自己死刑的囚犯,被锁在一层又一层的愧疚下的牢房里,

那是一个已分不清内心深处住着一只怪物还是自己人生里最爱的女人和这个男人的爱情故事。

也许,不需要什么复杂的解释,

他,只不过是个想回家的男人罢了。


Mal: 'Remember when you asked me to marry you? You said you had a dream that we grew old together.'

Cobb:'Remember when you asked me to marry you? You said you had a dream that we grew old together.'

Mal在最后苦苦哀求Cobb留下来一起陪她的那一刻,的确让人看得非常心疼。

我们必须非常异常非常清楚地告诉我们自己一点就是,
我们完全没有真的看过/听过Mal这爱妻的样子/说过的每一句话。

那一时刻对话的,正是Cobb自己啊....

我看得眼角有点湿了。X的。Nolan还特地拖那幕拖了好久。

那是一份多么巨大的悲恸。
刻骨的那一份不舍。那一份思念。那一份的眷恋。
不应该只是那样吧?
还有的是深埋在内心最深处的那一份只对她的特别的心动吧?

最后,那一个只属于她和他的世界 -

由他们俩双手建立起来的世界彻彻底底地崩溃了。

男人最后把自己的枷锁解开了。






陀螺在桌上转着。





你,相信哪个结局?

我相信的,

是男人看到了两个孩子的那一刻,

'F*CK the spinning top'

如果这是梦的话,男人也觉得没所谓了。



是不是现实,我觉得根本已经不重要了 :)





字幕升起时,

我好像,

听到了陀螺,

‘叮’的一声,

掉到地上,


停了。



p/s:明显地另一派敌对的理论就是整部电影就是Cobb自己的Inception;或者Cobb stuck在limbo里了 - 各theory都有各自support的理由 - 我相信的和想要的当然是Happy Ending了!!!:D

p/s2:阿彌处的回复,顺便放过来了XDD
Bad ending派所坚持的其中一个核心就是一整件事情说正是Leonardo被incepted的过程 XDDD 所有人都是他自己的投影,包括齋藤,其他人會疯狂地答應幫忙,自己的父亲那样....BE的狠心程度很高!XD

论理智来说,我想最合理的应该是BE吧,毕竟50年的分量可不是那么简单就醒来的,可能真的正如Mal所说那样,是Cobb自己醒不来~ 除了最后孩子那一幕外,我觉得支持BE的最大关键就是关于Ellen Page这个仿佛就是被(Cobb自己)创造出来拯救Cobb的存在,还是说Ellen这种年轻孩子不自觉地就爱上沧桑的Cobb了?XDD

无论如何,Nolan这一次实在做得太棒了!!!赞!!!!!!!!!!!!

p/s3:这是最后的post script了! 朋友发来的好详细的Bad Ending解释,里面有很漂亮的论证解释,出处来自IMDd留言板,原文连接点这里,注意E文和码字(上千的)=_,=

感觉IMDb留言板很不稳定,我在这里就存一份吧,点这里展开看

EDIT: I no longer truly believe this because I think it's far too complicated. Upon a second viewing, the story was incredibly EASY to follow especially with all of the discussion I've read on this board since then. I think the story has an easy solution and not something only a small percentage of viewers would ever think. The only thing I'm unsure about is if Cobb was dreaming at the end or not, due to the long amount of time the top was spinning and that the camera cuts away before it would have lost even more momentum.

Also, I don't know why people are saying you hear the top fall when the credits start. You just hear the start of the music. That's it.

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The idea of 'Inception' is to be a story crafted in the architecture of the mind - Cobb's mind. What people perceive to be real isn't necessarily so, because the mind can make things appear to be as real as ever. An important thing to remember is the start of the film. Dom Cobb wakes up in a place that we later find out to be limbo – more importantly, Saito's limbo.

What happens next is something that is meaningless the first time a viewer watches the film. Saito is seen handling Cobb's totem (which was a top that he took from Mal while in limbo). At first, this is meaningless. Upon a second viewing, the viewer should realize that everything that happens after this scene (the jump cut to Cobb's attempt at extracting information from Saito, and so on) is something much deeper.

Saito promises to give Cobb the one thing that he wants, and that's to find the way back home. How does he convince Cobb to do this? He tells him to "take a leap of faith." This is another line that goes unnoticed at first. On a second viewing, the viewer should remember that line as something that Mal told Cobb when she jumped off of the building. Is the picture becoming clearer yet?

While in Mombasa, Cobb gets chased by anonymous agents (which he perceives to be Cobol agents) through a fantastic action sequence where Cobb escapes the dream-like narrow tunnel and is rescued by none other than Saito. A bit later, Cobb and Saito visit Yusef who brings them into a basement with various figures connected to the dream machine. The idea was for Cobb to experiment with the deep sedative. He does, and when he "wakes up," he tries to use his totem only to be interrupted by Saito. Cobb never does find out if he is in the real world or not. In fact, he hasn’t been yet. He’s been in limbo ever since he got there with Mal. Ever since then, he's been going deeper and deeper to the point where he created Saito as a projection to help him "get back home" - Did you really think Saito can just pick up the phone and make murder charges disappear? No. But, Cobb believes it and thus Saito is used to thrust Cobb further and further into a state of limbo – where at the end of the journey, Cobb truly believes he is with his children after confronting and getting over his projection of Mal.

While in the limbo, Cobb, using Mal's totem, put the idea in her head that she was in the dream world. She was, she just hadn’t realized it yet. What the viewer forgets is that all knowledge of limbo comes from Cobb's character. To think that Cobb is 100% accurate about it is absolutely wrong. He wouldn't know dream from reality – not in the limbo that he describes to people – and definitely not if inception were performed on him to believe that limbo truly was the real world.

Mal and Cobb never really left limbo at least, not that layer of it. When Mal jumped off the building, she gave herself the very same "kick" that Ariadne improvised later on in the movie. Mal was right about still being in the dream world. Cobb was still engulfed in limbo and didn't realize it. When Cobb and Mal had killed themselves with the train, they simply moved one layer deeper just like Saito did when he was killed, Fischer did when he was killed, and so on (this happens again at the end of the film when Saito picks up the gun in front of Cobb).

Cobb, deep in limbo, unknowingly uses the projections of his team to keep going deeper and deeper until the idea of inception is performed on his mind, and he truly believes he was able to find a way back home. Saito's promise to Cobb was kept - in the form of Saito (a projection from Cobb) making sure that Cobb ended up in limbo, so that he could live his "life" with his kids (who are in the same position as they were all throughout the film).

The team were projections in Cobb's mind the entire time. It's how he was able to go to Miles in Paris and find an architect named Ariadne (a name which comes from a Greek mythology story about a labyrinth) who improvised the "kick" at the end of the movie the same way that Cobb had seen (but not accepted as a dream) Mal do previously when she jumped off the building. It's how Eames happened to know of Yusef, and so on and so forth. Everything Cobb needed to make this inception work happened to work out for him. It's even how Cobb's lawyer knew so quickly that Mal had gone to 3 different shrinks to be declared "sane" and how he happened to have a ticket for Cobb to be able to get out of the country before the police would have arrested him.

The movie ends with Cobb appearing from place to place, going from limbo with Saito, to the plane where Saito magically makes one phone call to free Cobb from his problems, to walking through the airport, to meeting Miles who is with Cobb's children. Cobb spins his totem and it spins just like it was a dream. He fixes his eyes on his children and the totem begins to lose speed – this is because inception has worked – Cobb truly believes he is in the real world. His totem will not spin like it did in the dream, not as long as he has his kids. The title of the film is now shown to us, making complete sense because the title was really Cobb's journey through his own mind: INCEPTION

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彌 said...

你寫的好仔細喔,有新觀點,也有對劇情的感想,相較之下我到底在寫啥鬼ORZ

TingZheng said...

欢迎阿彌 XDDD 那算是赞赏吧?哈~~

阿彌写的有自己的看点呀~我是觉得蛮欢乐的~传说中的腐神可不是盖的喔:p

craig said...

totem的用途是分辨是不是“自己”的梦吧,不让别人看是因为别人不知道的话就制造不出一个同样的?总感觉这个设定还不是说明得很清楚,只是为了让他简单的inception他老婆……

看完戏后,突然想到,那些认为主角一直都在梦中的人是被他inception了吧~就像他老婆一样,开始怀疑他是不是活在现实当中~呵呵,说不定最后一层醒来会是在matrix的水缸之中~

我觉得故事很清晰阿,就是主角玩做梦游戏~游戏规则如上~~ 补充以下,就是梦中的时间进行是20倍速,醒来的条件应该是死掉或受到惊吓,但使用药后大部分情况都感受不到了,不会受到惊吓,除了那个人说的,药不对耳朵内的“半规管?”起作用,所以还是能感受到失去平衡,所以失去平衡成为了醒来的一个主要条件……然后,因为药效的关系,如果在药效消失前被杀,生理上又醒不来才会进入那个奇怪的地方继续做梦……此外,人物貌似可以是任何侵入者的投影,小女孩第二次进入梦境应该是她自己的梦境,所以她能改变环境,但在梦中的人物是主角的投影(个人感觉,虽然没看太仔细),因此主角的老婆才会跟随主角进入不知道是谁的梦境……设计师设计的梦境如何传给做梦的人也是没说太清楚,个人怀疑是直接放入机器?

一直觉得那两个小孩好像恐怖片的场景……后来看到他们没长大吓到一下,然后才惊觉一切似乎发生在很短的时间内,毕竟x20的n次方……

觉得这个剧本还有很大的发挥空间,不过还是很佩服导演在这么短时间内把重要的东西都说清楚~

TingZheng said...

Totem的样子不算是真正的重点,重要的是totem的运作物理,例如Ellan Page的貌似会向特定的方向跌几次lol

我们到最后都不知道Cobb离开他孩子多久嘛,按Good ending来说可能几个月,半年,一年,两三年都可能。

至于梦里的效果貌似是逐层消减的,例如齐藤的伤势。其他大概都在msn谈过了lol我不写了。总结来说是不可多得的好电影~~~我等不及Batman3!!